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>> edward snowden's nsa revelations reaching new heights, getting spoofed on snl. but now the leaker is seeking ce clemens city. >>> and toronto's embattled mayor says he will stay in office. >>> and the sbepgs intentional that was the youtube music awards. that's a real thing? it is? okay. this is "way too early". good morning. i'm bill karins in for brian shactman. it's monday, november 4th. we'll also show and you scary moment in last night's texas/colt game. but first, the country's third biggest airport fully up and running again, but underlying safety concerns after a man used an assault arrival to kill one tsa agent and badly injured two other people. paul ciancia is in critical condition after being shot multiple times by officers. he was carrying five high capacity magazines, a bag of ammo and happennd written lette explaining his rampage. gun control advocates say the incident is unlikely to spark any head way in the limit of gun sales. >>> later today, the president will speak at an organizing for action health care summit looking to rally grass roots su
>> edward snowden's nsa revelations reaching new heights, getting spoofed on snl. but now the leaker is seeking ce clemens city. >>> and toronto's embattled mayor says he will stay in office. >>> and the sbepgs intentional that was the youtube music awards. that's a real thing? it is? okay. this is "way too early". good morning. i'm bill karins in for brian shactman. it's monday, november 4th. we'll also show and you scary moment in last night's texas/colt...
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this is nsa memos. that's one part. the second part has to do with the fact the white house is now saying we're not going to do it going forward. you get the sense that they know they are embarrassed by the revelations. they are not necessarily embarrassed by the tactics but embarrassed they got caught. >> take a look at what some of the eu parliamentarians came, axle voss from germany speaking on capitol hill to frank. >> frustration, anger, the feeling no one is controlling the nsa, no one is respecting privacy rights. no one is respecting data protection standouts. therefore we are in a mix of anger and frustration but also trying to keep the relationship alive. >> but they want answers. they said these were frank discussions. mark, you and i have covered foreign policy a long time. this is a very unhappy group of people. to a certain extent there's spying everywhere. we know that. it's a little shock. there's gambling at mr. rick's. the germans want the same special relationship of no spying agreement that we have w
this is nsa memos. that's one part. the second part has to do with the fact the white house is now saying we're not going to do it going forward. you get the sense that they know they are embarrassed by the revelations. they are not necessarily embarrassed by the tactics but embarrassed they got caught. >> take a look at what some of the eu parliamentarians came, axle voss from germany speaking on capitol hill to frank. >> frustration, anger, the feeling no one is controlling the...
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i agree with him, nsa spying that protects our national security is critical. but he is lumping in this what i would call gratuitous spying on our leaders that could have enormous consequences for our national security. >> what if this is just trust but verify? >> listen, in the end trust but verify comes down to a very simple proposition. they all knew that we're spying. they do it, everybody does it. but the fact of the matter is, is that there's gambling going on upstairs. all of a sudden there's a revelation. it's the damage that was done now, thomas, and the biggest concern that i have is that we really didn't have to be snooping on chancellor merkel's phone conversations to know what's going on in germany. we didn't have to be doing this. this is an nsa that has run out of control at this point. >>> so reform on the rocks. even senator marco rubio admits that efforts to change immigration reform and the law not going so good. the agenda panel will weigh in on that coming up. >>> jay z breaking his silence about his big deal with the department store barne
i agree with him, nsa spying that protects our national security is critical. but he is lumping in this what i would call gratuitous spying on our leaders that could have enormous consequences for our national security. >> what if this is just trust but verify? >> listen, in the end trust but verify comes down to a very simple proposition. they all knew that we're spying. they do it, everybody does it. but the fact of the matter is, is that there's gambling going on upstairs. all of...
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right now this is a very nasty moment in our relations with europe because of the nsa spying flap. what can you do and how uncomfortable is it to be with our friends and allies who frankly are really angry at the u.s. for eavesdropping on angela merkel and other leaders. >> well, people are angry as you say, but they also understand it is important that iran not get a nuclear weapon. this is really at the top of president obama's inbox. this is the top of prime minister cameron and the president's inbox, top of the inbox for president putin and head of china as well, the other p5 plus 1 partner as well as chancellor merkel. we are focused on what the objective here is stop iran from having a nuclear weapon. we had the last round of p5 plus 1 negotiations during the government shutdown here in washington which didn't make it particularly easy either. indeed because we are so focused on peace and security for the world community, it trumps virtually everything else. >> and what about the syrian situation and iran's involvement in syria rearming the assad regime, aren't those other is
right now this is a very nasty moment in our relations with europe because of the nsa spying flap. what can you do and how uncomfortable is it to be with our friends and allies who frankly are really angry at the u.s. for eavesdropping on angela merkel and other leaders. >> well, people are angry as you say, but they also understand it is important that iran not get a nuclear weapon. this is really at the top of president obama's inbox. this is the top of prime minister cameron and the...
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i want to also ask you about the nsa and the concerns about the nsa becoming a rogue agency. reports today from "the washington post" denied by keith alexander just now, apparently, that the nsa, that our spies are actually unknowingly going into google and yahoo! centers and retrieving data. where does it end? >> well, i have grave concerns about this, andrea. there was a report that i saw that the taps of the phone may have even tapped the pope's phone. we've got to get to the bottom of this. i'll tell you, i have a suspicion about one of the things that's at the root of this. and it is the fact that the authorization for the use of military force passed one week after 9/11 is so broad and open-ended. as you know, the language in that authorization authorized the president to take action against those who committed the 9/11 attacks or their affiliates. that language, or their affiliates, without any limitation in time or geography, has led to a whole series of programs that i think are too open ended. one of the things that i want to explore as we look at correcting these s
i want to also ask you about the nsa and the concerns about the nsa becoming a rogue agency. reports today from "the washington post" denied by keith alexander just now, apparently, that the nsa, that our spies are actually unknowingly going into google and yahoo! centers and retrieving data. where does it end? >> well, i have grave concerns about this, andrea. there was a report that i saw that the taps of the phone may have even tapped the pope's phone. we've got to get to the...
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documents provided by nsa leaker edward snowden. the spanish government summoned the american ambassador asking for an explanation. >>> this weekend, thousands of protesters marched on capitol hill demanding an end to the government surveillance program at home and abroad. many carried signs praising snowden and thanking him for blowing wistle on the nsa by leaking classified documents. this comes as international outrage builds over the broad scope of the nsa's data gathering over years. european leaders continue to put pressure on the country to for a new spying deal on allies. chefon, thank you so much for your time. >> thank you. >> let's explain why it is some officials have explained perhaps why the president would not know about this for five years. >> as it was explained to us, this type of surveillance is the type of program or decision that would be executed at the level of the national security agency and the way the protocols are set up at this point, that's sort of where the line of information would stop. there isn't n
documents provided by nsa leaker edward snowden. the spanish government summoned the american ambassador asking for an explanation. >>> this weekend, thousands of protesters marched on capitol hill demanding an end to the government surveillance program at home and abroad. many carried signs praising snowden and thanking him for blowing wistle on the nsa by leaking classified documents. this comes as international outrage builds over the broad scope of the nsa's data gathering over...
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washington guy, the nsa story. it's one of those things that you hear lawmakers will say, you know what, the public actually doesn't want to know a lot of this information. do you buy that? >> no. i think the public does want to know. >> what do they want to know? >> whether we're spying on our friends. you don't do that to friends. >> no justification of it? >> look, there are a lot of reasons that people might think that it's a good idea, but if you're going to have a relationship with a friend, you don't spy on your friends. you're going to also want to know did the president know about this, are they telling the truth. i think those are the things that people want to know. >> the objections we're hearing from capitol hill, i'm not sure it is them trying to respond to the media attention. we're shocked that this happened, made it look like they would not condone something like this and at the same time, they're privately going we understand that sources are -- >> well, you have to remember that congress tends to
washington guy, the nsa story. it's one of those things that you hear lawmakers will say, you know what, the public actually doesn't want to know a lot of this information. do you buy that? >> no. i think the public does want to know. >> what do they want to know? >> whether we're spying on our friends. you don't do that to friends. >> no justification of it? >> look, there are a lot of reasons that people might think that it's a good idea, but if you're going to...
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in fact, your argument that basically from the website to nsa, he's like, i don't know what's going on. >> that doesn't wear on the american people longer term. doesn't provide a lot of confidence. >> we're still stuck on this idea he didn't know what the nsa was doing. but we know better. we have intelligence officials who are saying not only did he know, but he approved this sort of stuff. >> i just want to clarify that my point is a different one. we have ratings agencies also saying that the american economy is undermined by the dysfunction in washington. i'm not calling on the president to be a better leader. i think that is a silly and simplistic notion. i am pointing out the fact that you have a group in congress that have decided they don't care if they hold the country hostage, they don't care if they hold the economy hostage, they don't care if they blow up their own party, they will do whatever they can to undermine the president. >> you also have -- guys, you also have -- >> you're absolutely right that the right has decided whoever is president, whoever is democratic presi
in fact, your argument that basically from the website to nsa, he's like, i don't know what's going on. >> that doesn't wear on the american people longer term. doesn't provide a lot of confidence. >> we're still stuck on this idea he didn't know what the nsa was doing. but we know better. we have intelligence officials who are saying not only did he know, but he approved this sort of stuff. >> i just want to clarify that my point is a different one. we have ratings agencies...
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why weren't you monitoring. >> the other issue is the nsa mismanagement. that's another thing about this white house. they don't like to fire people in the moment. people then get fired like five months later and decide to leave. general alexander, we know he is leaving and they are trying to say it's not connected. of course it is. everybody in the intelligence community is furious. >> i'm sure you had several people say this to you and people say we don't work on washington's time frame. everyone is calling for someone to be fired. we work on a different time frame. you run the risk of a period like you are not handling an issue and taking it seriously. >> i do. i have been in that position at governor's level and you want to be careful about this stuff. particularly the relationships. >> feed you people. >> but you do eventually fire somebody and you like to wait? >> you move them quietly. >> you all love that. >> i can make so many jokes. hold off. we will talk more hot politics and that will get you fired up. tension at the top. we look at the rocky r
why weren't you monitoring. >> the other issue is the nsa mismanagement. that's another thing about this white house. they don't like to fire people in the moment. people then get fired like five months later and decide to leave. general alexander, we know he is leaving and they are trying to say it's not connected. of course it is. everybody in the intelligence community is furious. >> i'm sure you had several people say this to you and people say we don't work on washington's time...
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>> edward snowden's nsa revelations reaching new heights, getting spoofed on snl. but now the leaker is seeking ce clemens city. >>> and toronto's embattled mayor says he will stay in office. >>> and the sbepgs intentional that was the youtube music awards. that's a real thing? it is? okay. this is "way too early". good morning. i'm bill karins in for brian shactman. it's monday, november 4th. we'll also show and you scary moment
>> edward snowden's nsa revelations reaching new heights, getting spoofed on snl. but now the leaker is seeking ce clemens city. >>> and toronto's embattled mayor says he will stay in office. >>> and the sbepgs intentional that was the youtube music awards. that's a real thing? it is? okay. this is "way too early". good morning. i'm bill karins in for brian shactman. it's monday, november 4th. we'll also show and you scary moment
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was the nsa, indeed, doing this without letting people know? and that's a big question to me. >> one of the things we were talking about is how remarkable it would be that edward snowden might have known about this and barack obama didn't. then the other thing that strikes me is, you know, obviously i under that these programs are very controversial but the amount of controversy over this program is a little bit higher it seems than when we found out they were collecting bulk data on regular citizens. diane feinstein the chairman of the senate intelligence committee is outraged over this disclosure but fine with the other ones. >> what's worse to express, mike barnacle, that i think it's many world leaders that have this happen to them not just angela merkel and i wonder if that should have come out or if that creates more of a firestorm. but, again, it's not george w. bush sitting there with his head phones on listening to angela merkel's conversations, or president obama, it's very different. mike? >> but, mike, if the president knows, if he'
was the nsa, indeed, doing this without letting people know? and that's a big question to me. >> one of the things we were talking about is how remarkable it would be that edward snowden might have known about this and barack obama didn't. then the other thing that strikes me is, you know, obviously i under that these programs are very controversial but the amount of controversy over this program is a little bit higher it seems than when we found out they were collecting bulk data on...
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>> first about nsa collection, it seems increasingly clear if nsa could collect a signal it would. and just add to this ever greater pile of data. analysts couldn't possibly have gone through and made sense of all the signals that they had access to. in terms of spying on the world leaders, the 35 world leaders which is the latest thing that's riled the europeans and people all over the world, it's hard to imagine, if you captured something of interest from angela merkel's cell phone that reference to that wouldn't end up in the president's daily brief. may not say obtained through surveillance of her cell phone but the intelligence would be there otherwise why would you have it? snowden revelations, just keep rolling at the world and at the obama administration. i'm surprised there's not more push back because it's triggered a response by major nations, france, germany, even britain that's been our partner said it will work with the europeans for new rules. we'll come out of this with new rules that the nsa has to live with. somewhat more limited collection of these signals. the q
>> first about nsa collection, it seems increasingly clear if nsa could collect a signal it would. and just add to this ever greater pile of data. analysts couldn't possibly have gone through and made sense of all the signals that they had access to. in terms of spying on the world leaders, the 35 world leaders which is the latest thing that's riled the europeans and people all over the world, it's hard to imagine, if you captured something of interest from angela merkel's cell phone that...
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oversight of the nsa. you are looking live right now at the house intelligence committee holding a hearing on that very issue. witnesses include the director of national intelligence, james clapper, who sounded a wri note on the outrage over u.s. international spy efforts. >> i have to say, chairman rodgers, some of this reminds me a lot of the classic movie "kasa blanka," my god, there is gambling going on here. the same thing. >> indeed it is. the president faces an uproar including from chancellor mer l merkel, whose cell phone was tapped. the administration has denied the president knew the extent of the spying. and the president said last night he has ordered a fuel review. in an interview on the new fusion network. >> the national security operations generally have one person, and that is to make sure the american people are safe and i'm making good decisions and i'm the final user of all the intelligence they gather. what we have seen over the last several years is their capacities continue to devel
oversight of the nsa. you are looking live right now at the house intelligence committee holding a hearing on that very issue. witnesses include the director of national intelligence, james clapper, who sounded a wri note on the outrage over u.s. international spy efforts. >> i have to say, chairman rodgers, some of this reminds me a lot of the classic movie "kasa blanka," my god, there is gambling going on here. the same thing. >> indeed it is. the president faces an...
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>> nsa is like a runaway beer truck. somebody has got to jump inside of the beer truck and steer to it the side of the road. they are spying on the cardinals? >> the nsa saying i have a great idea the conclave with the cardinals, let's bug it. we'll get the early odds on who will be pope. come on get something to do. >> that's a little messed. >> new york names new york city has the strictest limits on tobacco products in the country. voted to raise the age to buy cigarettes from 18 to 21. michael bloomberg will sign the bill and take effect in six months. >> new jersey star ledger senator-elect cory booker will be sworn into office by vice president joe biden at the u.s. capitol today. booker submitted his letter of resignation from his post as mayor of new york, new jersey before leaving for d.c. he will finish the final year of the term of late senator frank lautenberg who passed away in june. >> "l.a. times," global wine shortage may be on the horizon as the world's largest wine producing countries, spain, france and
>> nsa is like a runaway beer truck. somebody has got to jump inside of the beer truck and steer to it the side of the road. they are spying on the cardinals? >> the nsa saying i have a great idea the conclave with the cardinals, let's bug it. we'll get the early odds on who will be pope. come on get something to do. >> that's a little messed. >> new york names new york city has the strictest limits on tobacco products in the country. voted to raise the age to buy...
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the leader of nsa intelligence likens the wire tapping controversy to the film. >>> and a wine shortage predicted for our future. >>> only minor injuries from this crash. >>> a woman plans to give
the leader of nsa intelligence likens the wire tapping controversy to the film. >>> and a wine shortage predicted for our future. >>> only minor injuries from this crash. >>> a woman plans to give
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the nsa surveillance, which seems to be out of control, and keep this conflict and keep this threat in perspective. >> okay. krcritics are not questioning t results of the drone strikes abroad. it's the methods they take offense to. how legitimate are these strikes? is it a fair assessment there is, in fact, some it is a id approval to them? >> there definitely is. there was a great piece in "the washington post" last month that produced internal cia documents that show the pakistanis are cooperating with some of these strikes. but this is the problem. because we run this as a covert program, we sort of cover up the fact the pakistanis are letting us do this. there's always these protests in pakistan against the u.s. government. pakistanis should be upset with their military. why are they allowing these strikes to happen? the pakistani military could shoot down u.s. drones at any time. one proposal that's been out there is turn over drone strikes to the u.s. military, make them public and do what the u.s. military does in afghanistan. if there are reports of civilian casualties, you lo
the nsa surveillance, which seems to be out of control, and keep this conflict and keep this threat in perspective. >> okay. krcritics are not questioning t results of the drone strikes abroad. it's the methods they take offense to. how legitimate are these strikes? is it a fair assessment there is, in fact, some it is a id approval to them? >> there definitely is. there was a great piece in "the washington post" last month that produced internal cia documents that show...
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. >>> a german magazine publishing an open letter it says was penned by nsa leaker edward snowden in what's been titled a manifesto for truth. snowden reportedly writes that calls for surveillance program reforms justify his decision to leak classified information and he calls the u.s. and british the worst offenders. ♪ nothing says, "you're my #1 copilot," like a milk-bone biscuit. ♪ say it with milk-bone. to prove to you that aleve is the better choice for her, she's agreed to give it up. that's today? [ male announcer ] we'll be with her all day to see how it goes. [ claira ] after the deliveries, i was okay. now the ciabatta is done and the pain is starting again. more pills? seriously? seriously. [ groans ] all these stops to take more pills can be a pain. can i get my aleve back? ♪ for my pain, i want my aleve. [ male announcer ] look for the easy-open red arthritis cap. >>> so later this afternoon, the senate takes up a landmark bill offering protection to lbgt people in the workplace. members have scheduled a procedural vote and a final vote is scheduled later in the we
. >>> a german magazine publishing an open letter it says was penned by nsa leaker edward snowden in what's been titled a manifesto for truth. snowden reportedly writes that calls for surveillance program reforms justify his decision to leak classified information and he calls the u.s. and british the worst offenders. ♪ nothing says, "you're my #1 copilot," like a milk-bone biscuit. ♪ say it with milk-bone. to prove to you that aleve is the better choice for her, she's...
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eric schmitt is lashing over the nsa spying on the datacenters. we called it possibly illegal if are proven and said google complained to the president, vice president and congress. schmitt said the bulk data collection if true doesn't pass the smell test and is bad public policy. >> it's outrageous that the nasa security agency was looking between the centers if that's true. the steps that the organization was willing to do without good judgment went to pursue the mission and went to violate the policies. it's not okay. in that case they assisted us in understanding that. >> now a story on blackberry. >> wow. she's good. >> last minute deals and bids. blackberry now says they will abandon trying to sell itself. the toronto globe and mail reports the company will raise $1 billion and clean house of upper management including ceo thorston hinds. >> the best of the late night. keep had here on "morning joe." you're giving away pie? would you like apple or cherry? cherry. oil...or cream? definitely cream. [ male announcer ] never made with hydrogenat
eric schmitt is lashing over the nsa spying on the datacenters. we called it possibly illegal if are proven and said google complained to the president, vice president and congress. schmitt said the bulk data collection if true doesn't pass the smell test and is bad public policy. >> it's outrageous that the nasa security agency was looking between the centers if that's true. the steps that the organization was willing to do without good judgment went to pursue the mission and went to...
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. >> let me ask you as editor and publisher of the newspaper in germany, how is the nsa spying -- >> being handled? >> yeah. >> let me tell you what i think. if president obama would ask me, i would give him the following sp irgs spiel, yes, mr. president. we always do the spying, we spy on each other, even on friends. we do it, you do it, the french, the brits. first rule is don't get caught. since you always get caught eventually, mr. president, it's not worth it. i wouldn't do it. not with my best european ally. so let prudence prevail over paranoia. and then if you would still keep me there i would say, you know, paranoia is getting out of bounds in this country. >> mm-hmm. >> you're going to grant al qaeda that kind of victory by quaking in fear? >> we could do an hour on the myth of america's decline. thank you so much for giving us a small taste of the book. jos ergs f jaffe, thank you. >> thank you. >> up next from unemployed to internet sensation. how a young photographer is capturing the pulse of new york city. louis will bring us that when "morning joe" comes right back. i
. >> let me ask you as editor and publisher of the newspaper in germany, how is the nsa spying -- >> being handled? >> yeah. >> let me tell you what i think. if president obama would ask me, i would give him the following sp irgs spiel, yes, mr. president. we always do the spying, we spy on each other, even on friends. we do it, you do it, the french, the brits. first rule is don't get caught. since you always get caught eventually, mr. president, it's not worth it. i...